Predestined To Have Free Will?

Mike D July 30, 2011 22

The theologically minded will no doubt chuckle at the lack of theological and philosophical depth of the following explanations. This is in no way intended to be an adequate account of the intricacies of the analogia entis or causality in the Thomistic corpus. But rather, it is a horrendous oversimplification of inconsistencies in Reformation/Post-Reformation theology that is intended to shed light on a much broader metaphysical issue which underlies these respective fields. By doing so, I hope to point evangelical readers beyond one of several ‘modern’ dualisms that simply do not exist in the orthodox Christian tradition. Thomas Aquinas is cited because he is the theologian par excellence who masterfully and intentionally avoided this metaphysical issue throughout his work.

What’s all this debate about pre-destination and free-will? With both sides having valid biblical resources to draw upon, how are they to be reconciled?

For Thomas Aquinas, God is not a being that is included in a metaphysical system. Therefore God’s agency differs from ours. This means that when we compare how God acts in the world (Divine agency, or will) to how humans act in the world (human will) a careful ‘distinction’ must be maintained (by “not difference” I mean that there is an analogical relation between the way Divine and human agency are be related. Analogy indicates that things can be ‘distinct,’ but not utterly ‘different.’ This is further clarified below). If this ‘distinction’ is not maintained, we get…bad theology.

Philosophers and theologians have two common terms they employ in discussions like ours (they really like them for ontological discussions like when they ask, “what is ‘being?’ but they work for our topic too because they are related). These terms are: univocal and equivocal. Put simply, univocal means ‘sameness,’ equivocal means ‘difference.’ Juxtaposed, these two terms form a dualism, which we should always try to avoid in Christian theology.

What does this have to do with predestination and free-will? Well, this is precisely what is taking place behind the scenes in this ‘modern’ debate. What we have is “a plague on both houses;” two sides, using the same logic, forming a dualism that cannot be overcome without addressing the underlying metaphysic from which it emerges. In one corner stands the “Armenians” (free-will), and in the other, those we call “Calvinists” (predestination). The latter tend to think of God’s relation to mankind univocally. This means that when God acts upon us we are simply passive recipients of His will (the choice is entirely God’s). Furthermore, our actions are entirely directed by God, as is the future of the world (determinism). In an odd way, His will is our will. The former, however, tend to think of this relationship equivocally, whereby God’s will is entirely different from the human will. Thus the active choice of the human will determines not only one’s own destiny, but the plight of the entire cosmos. Entirely separate from God’s will, the human will can be for or against God’s will, it may even determine God’s will (one may see how following this logic of “Open Theism” becomes a viable theological option… unfortunately). Now these are obviously exaggerated, oversimplified examples. But, this is done for two reasons:

  1. To exemplify how far this logic takes us; and
  2. To reveal that dualism really doesn’t exist (but, only conceptually).

For God’s sake, there must be something that works better than this. There must be another option.

The opening paragraph states that when a ‘distinction’ is not maintained the inevitable result is dualism. Here is the important part: between the dualism of univocal and equivocal language there exists analogy.  Analogy is often employed theologically because it maintains a ‘distinction’ (between an apparent dualism) but not a complete difference (as in the case of dualism). Analogy suspends ‘sameness’ and ‘difference.’

In pre-modern times analogy was frequently employed in metaphysical attempts to explain the objective nature of ‘being’ when human understanding proved inadequate. Thomas Aquinas understood the necessity of analogy and would be surprised and certainly disappointed with the sort of dualism that emerged in the centuries following his death. Aquinas was a master at employing analogy. Relevant to our topic, Aquinas extends the use of analogy to explain the relations of divine and human agency. In utilizing analogy he suspends univocal and equivocal language. In following the Platonic tradition, Aquinas states that “God has immediate providence over everything…even the smallest.” It is, therefore, God who “gives them the power to produce those effects” (Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Ia. q. 22 a. 3). Stopping here suggests a univocal explanation of God’s agency. As we have earlier suggested, this response lends itself to doctrines of predestination as all human activity is controlled by God’s agency. Aquinas, however, does not stop here. In this portion of his treatise on agency one would expect Aquinas to offer an equivocal response to his initial claim. But Aquinas is careful not to counter with a dualism; rather, he completes his explanation by slightly amending his primary statement. He continues that, “there are certain intermediaries of God’s providence; for He governs things inferior by superior, not on account of any defect in His power, but by reason of the abundance of His goodness; so that the dignity of causality is imparted even to creatures” (Ibid).

Out of God’s “goodness” creatures act as “intermediaries” that participate in God’s plan.

In his apophatic style, Aquinas realizes the limits of language and is careful to avoid strict univocal or equivocal categorization of God. In doing so Aquinas portrays human actions as subject to God, yet free. Humans therefore, “do not create in the strict sense, but they are not denied a role in the temporal achievement of the realization of the idea.” (Robert C. Miner, Truth in the Making: Creative Knowledge in Theology and Philosophy, 9). Humans then, work in a way that mirrors the divine, creative power without usurping it (Miner, 34).

This is just one of the many dualisms that continue to plague Reformation and Post-Reformation theology. What should be clear is this underlying theological issue emerged with the concomitant loss of analogy and the advent of Nominalism (numerous books have been dedicated to this issue; so much so, that it is simply ‘old news’ to theologians and philosophers).

In closing, I hope that the reader takes away three points from this article:

  1. Modern thought is fraught with dualisms.
  2. There is no place for dualisms in the Christian tradition.
  3. A point that wasn’t mentioned but can now be deduced, most contemporary attacks on Christianity are directed against this sort of bad theology, and in fact it was bad theology that opened up a space for this opposition (dualism).

Following this, I want to suggest that a rich understanding of the Christian theological tradition is the only apologetic in our current climate. So next time someone asks you if you’re an Armenian or a Calvinist tell them you’re a little bit of both, or better yet, tell them that dualisms are not a part of the tradition. The latter response will always leave pop-culture atheists confused, and scrambling for a more robust critique of Christianity.

  • http://jaredbeasley.net Jared

    Awesome article Mike. You know, I've always sorta thought the answer to the question "Calvinism or Arminianism?" is not one or the other, but yes, both. What you've laid out here wasn't even made mention in four years of Bible college, which makes me believe that dualisms have erroneously become part of the Christian tradition. Hopefully we can change that!

    • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

      thanks jared, yes as the guy below notes we are cool with paradox but not dualism. you can see my response below. unfortunately, I was raised thinking that dualism was just a part of life, jesus vs. the devil. good vs. bad, grace and law, nature/supernature etc. but im slowly learning thats only a later development of our faith and it what makes a lot more sense to me is the earlier tradition. guys like aquinas understood this, and thats why i have a slight man crush on him.

  • http://suprarational.org Ron Krumpos

    “Free will” is really quite limited, despite belief that we control ourselves and our lives. We think we have endless choices…until we try to make them. Each decision must not only be based on what we “want to do,” but also on our own capabilities and what is expected of us. Nature and society imprison us, whether we like it or not. The key to release is mystical realization. All in One and One in All, the divine unity, opens the gate between heaven and Earth…between a universal consciousness and most people’s constrained awareness.

    http://www.peacenext.org/profile/RonKrumpos

  • http://mellomike.com Mello Mike

    Love the thought-provoking article. What would the difference be between a dualism and a paradox, as there are certainly plenty of paradoxes in essential Christian doctrine.

    It seems that the Arminian/Calvinist divide comes from asking the wrong questions, not just getting different answers. The predestination issue in Romans especially regarded the special position for the Jewish people that was then opened up to believing Gentiles. The "chosen ones" had to believe in order to be chosen.

    "not on account of any defect in His power, but by reason of the abundance of His goodness". Praise God

    • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

      great question. yes, you are right christianity does have paradox, not dualism. the simplest way to describe the difference is that a dualism logically contradictory while a paradox does not. so like analogy, paradox doesnt mean utter 'difference,' but rather distiction. dualism has a long philosophical history behind it that i dont have room or time to articulate but simply to say that ontologically (for existence purposes) all particular entities share in some thing. for christians everything shares in being, or existence, no no-thing (nothing) can be utterly distinct from another. thus there cant be a no-thing or 'nothing,'as all things have a share or participate in 'being.'

      could you clarify what you mean by asking the wrong questions? I just dont want to respond the wrong way.

      thanks again for the comments, and a great job making me clarify, that yes, there are several paradoxes in the christian faith.

      blessings!

  • http://dannettleton.com Dan Nettleton

    Master DiFuccia: well done sir, well done. I grew up a staunch Armenian, converted later to Calvinism, then recently realized there was no way to overcome the very solid Biblical arguments for both. So I decided to stop trying and put it into God's hands, not giving up, just realizing He had a better answer and I needed to find Him on it. Your explanation here has done much to put it into great perspective. I like what Mello Mike said above me here " …asking the wrong questions, not just getting different answers."

    And as always, I knew I was reading a Mike DiFuccia "Gem" when I had to read through the disclaimer about 6 times to get it.

    • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

      thanks dan, that disclaimer was supposed to be a footnote that you didnt have to read, but it ended up at the top. that part isnt important and was there as a disclaimer to theologians and philosophers who know this stuff well. anyway thanks for reading and great talking the other evening.

  • http://www.kurtjohnson.info Kurt

    Mike D.,

    Thanks for this interesting and thoughtful post. I've been following this blog for a few weeks because my good friend "Korpi Diem" :) contributes here.

    I think you're onto something here when you point out the "plague" of dualism, but my agreement with the general thrust of this post stops there. What Thomas Aquinas is describing when he says, “God has immediate providence over everything…even the smallest.” It is, therefore, God who “gives them the power to produce those effects” is nothing more than pre-Calvin theological determinism. A Calvinist today might say something like, "God is the ultimate cause of everything, while sentient beings are the proximal causes of some events." This is different jargon that constitues the very same ideas. I don't see how whatever metaphysical construct you suppose Aquinas had supersedes the dilemma at the heart of the debate between Calvinists and Arminians. We still have to answer the question regarding how we characterize the providential influence of the divine in the God-world relationship. Either God has or hasn't endowed sentients with libertarian free will. If we don't posses the sort of freedom wherein we may choose other than we do, we are only free in a compatibilistic sense, as Calvinists suppose.

    I'll go ahead and lay my cards on the table and let you know that I'm an "open theist" (though I don't care for that label). I understand that will come with a certain amount of baggage because their is A LOT of misinformation floating around about what we believe, but nevertheless, it might be helpful for you to know that if you want to these comments. I think one of the strengths of our view is that it is very resistant to dualism and other assorted perils of Greek influence that has corrupted the church. There is much to say on that, but I'd like to comment briefly on a couple more things from your post…

    If God has endowed sentients with libertarian freedoms it is NOT also true by implication that "the plight of the entire cosmos" is at stake. This is a common critique of Free Will Theism (Arminian, Open Theism), but I think a solid case can be made that, sentients could be free in this way without compromising the general trajectory of redemptive history. I won't try to make that case here, but it can be done. Suffice it to say that God is big enough to organize the end game, even in the face of future 'openness' and the possibilities that some things will not turn out as He desires. I see two motifs run throughout scripture… one of future certainty and one of future openness. How God is able to work out His redemptive work in the world considering the complexity and interconnectedness of all of it, I don't know… but that's where I'd like to posit the mystery. :)

    At some point you have to deal with the elephant in the room… articulating the character of God's sovereignty and free will within your theological grid. Is God's sovereignty to be characterized as "meticulous providence" i.e. all events are being moved along by the providential hand of God, or a "dynamic sovereignty" wherein God has given a certain amount of "say-so" to sentient beings for the 'co-creation' of the future? Again, I don't see how Aquinas' metaphysic supersedes this discussion.

    Again, thanks for this post. I'd be interested in hearing what sort of ontology in the God-world relation you envision.

    As always, these comments are merely "for your consideration"

    God bless,

    Kurt

    • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

      Kurt, I prefaced the article the way i did as a disclaimer because i was sure questions like this would arise, and for this reason the depth is not really possible to go into without some sort of face to face discussion of topic that has been debated for centuries.

      Nonetheless, ill try to be concise here in pointing out where I can only assume you are entirely misunderstanding me.

      Firstly, your reading of Aquinas is entirely mistaken. in light of your response i truly wonder if youve read his work or anything on the history of thomism because it would truly be impossible for you to make the claim you did against him.

      Secondly, it is a very common error to take a modern assumption and read it back into the church fathers as you have done i.e. calling aquinas a pre-calvinist and a determinist. These were simply not 'categories' aquinas would fall prey to. This doesnt mean they didnt exist at the time. They did, and they were considered heresies in his time, although they had different names.

      Thirdly, what i find so interesting is that your account of open theism is similar to what the real aquinas is getting at, although its couched differently. Which again, i can only assume youve not read aquinas. I would recommend reading te veldes book, or jordans aquinas god and action if you really have any interest in the matter.

      So Essentially what you’ve done, is taken the orthodox reading of Aquinas, changed it to a sort of modern dualism (entirely ignoring the heart of the thomistic corpus), then used a modern theological anomaly (open theism, which id be interested to know that ontology?) as a viable option that sounds very similar to the orthodox reading of aquinas?

      Lastly I did in in fact, give an example of aquinas' metaphysic: ANALOGY? The analogia entis, which I prefaced the article with, is the Thomistic ontology or metaphysic. I don’t know how this was missed?

      It will help you to know that I am an RO guy. I am Christian Platonist I fully subscribe to the analogia entis as in the work of the neo Platonist which in a sense culminates in Aquinas who bring plato and aristole amongst others together. This means that for me God is fully immanent and transcendent, which plays a crucial role not only in this particular discussion, but the analogy of being

      your question was aimed correctly, if we are going to address metaphysics, we have to start with ontology. With this in mind, are you aware of the analogia entis? If so, How is your view of open theism sustained ontologically, how is its better than the analogy of being? To be an open theist you must think so.

      Lets keep the conversation going… hopefully other will join. I live in the middle of nowhere this summer in northern England so my academic discussion are limited. This is great. If you see anything interesting on my blog feel free to bust my balls there too…

      • http://www.kurtjohnson.info Kurt

        Mike D.,

        I'll just comment briefly on your response. I wish we could have this debate… er… discussion over coffee. :)

        I'm not calling Aquinus a "pre-calvinIST"… I only meant that he was pre-Calvin (chronologically) and that I consider some of his ideas to be theological determinism.

        Here is your quote from Aquinas again:

        “God has immediate providence over everything…even the smallest.” It is, therefore, God who “gives them the power to produce those effects”

        I'm not sure how that's different than Calvinist's claim of "ultimate" and "proximate" causation?

        Open theist ontology?… uh, well, all open theists are presentists. The only time that exists is the present, the NOW. God is transcendent yet experiences duration with us (creation). He is not "outside of time" to put it crudely, viewing history in a panoramic snap shot. Our view of divine omniscience within a presentist ontology, is that God has knows absolutely everything, but some of that content is constituted in future tense propositions about what "might and might not obtain." This is important for us in the conversation on predestination, foreknowledge and free will. Like Arminians we have a view of cooperate election in Christ, so predestination works within that framework, but we differ from classical Arminians in that we don't characterize foreknowledge exhaustive definite foreknowledge (to borrow a Boyd term).

        On analogia entis… The way Bentley-Hart describes this sounds like panentheism to me, which doesn't really bother me too much. I also see that interconnectedness of the divine to his creation… God is present and active everywhere, but again, you have to address the elephant in the room (as described above).

        Christian Platonism is the antithesis of good theology… Well I can't qualify that statement, because I gotta go!

      • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

        kurt, prooftexting one passage from the entire thomistic corpus doesnt work. Again, before you call him a determinist please read him or a relevant book. http://www.op.org/summa/ read his stuff on grace and then tell me if you still think hes a determinist.

        regardless, youve still not given an ontology, youve told me what open theism knows about god, but not how you know that. your account is entirely epistemological, which again is typically modern. youve not given an account of existence of god, creation etc. but merely what you know about it.

        now i think practically speaking you and i agree on many levels, and that is why i said the response of open theism is similar to the real thomas.

        In light of this, i do think that if one actually attempts to articulate an ontology (which modernity has all but forgotten), say for open theism , and the present free will/ predestination thing (which i do appreciate the attempt of boyd and others to bridge this obvious gap, he is my mother inlaws pastor) I don’t think one will get around the analogy of being (it’s the only ontology ive found that overcomes dualism), unless an entirely new, radical ontology can be forged, otherwise there is just no way to explain what you have proposed other than just saying it and asking people to accept it as a doctrine (epistemologically). this is why ontology is so important and its what separates the christian faith from all other static dogmatic religions. It is crucial that ontology be brought back to the Christian faith as it was in premodern times. We cant articulate the faith without it. Incarnation, creation exnihilo, trinity etc, are all ontological doctrines. As long as they remain epistemological we stand on no better ground (as a good charismatic let me qualify, no better rational ground) than a muslim, Buddhist jew. etc.

        Im a charismatic protestant, and I came to the analogy of being, which is typically denied in protestant thought, for probably one of the same reasons you choose open theism: We see major problems with dualism. open theism has done good things and come to some good conclusions but its really nothing new, and if it attempts to articulate itself it will probably end up with the analogy of being. because of this lack of ontology there will always be a tendency for dualism i think this is why open theist are still trying to address theodicy because they see this as a dualism rather than privation (which DBH would not agree with).

        i dont think every christian should be a platonist but again in light of explicating the fundamental doctrines of the christian faith the ontology certainly helps. lastly, im assuming you dont like platonism because its greek?

        Lastly, panentheism does seem to rear its head from time to time with the analogia entis (but its not, that is just a modern label put on it).

        Agree:I want to reiterate that practically and even epistemologically we have similar thoughts.

        Questions: Please DO let me know why you think Platonism is bad theology? I can only assume its because you think plato is a dualist. Btw Augustine, himself said, that in articulating theology using philosophy there is no reason to look outside of the Platonists.

        And as I already asked, what is the open theist ontology, im aware of what they think, but how is it different from the analogia entis? To put it easier how does open theism establish relationship between man and God, God and creation etc (how does open theism account for existence)?

        Lets keep this going…

      • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

        oh gosh, we are thinning out here, maybe you could respond to the general post because i think we are going to end up in a physical infinite regress here if we are not careful.

  • http://www.toddkorpi.com Korpi Diem

    Kurt Johnson has officially entered the wonderful world of Theomag, ladies and gents!

  • Kurt

    Mike, thanks for your response. If you're interested in continuing the discussion, you're welcome to email me at kurtkjohnson@gmail.com and I'll respond to you there.

    Blessings,

    Kurt

    • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

      cool thanks kurt, much better done over email, then when were all done we'll just publish a book and title it "conversations between RO and Open Theism." I just emailed you…

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  • Cuppy

    Thanks Mike, really enjoyed this article. It is interesting to think about how our constructions to look at and examine what we believe can be faulty, and that such a virus can then infect our conclusions, leading us astray.

  • Brett

    Mike and Kurt,

    Important discussion. I would suggest that you read this blog post by Jamie Smith. I think it has some important things to say about theological camps vs. confessional identities that might be helpful for the way you are proceeding in your discussion.

    http://forsclavigera.blogspot.com/2011/07/on-stat

    • Dusty Kat

      Awesome link Brett. I really enjoyed Smith's thoughts.

  • Brett

    Mike,

    Thanks for posting this. As you probably know, I was raised in an environment where “Calvinist” was a bad word, only to go on to attend a school named for J. C. (I don’t mean Jesus, but depending on who you talk to it can be hard to tell the difference). Just joking. Now I attend Mars Hill, whose teaching pastors are, from time to time, accused (I think unfairly) of “open theism.” So these issues have always been important to me.

    A concern:

    –>The "Christian Platonist" claim: I have a professor who loved to claim to be a Christian Platonist, and would do so at every opportunity. I think the position is very problematic. For one it ignores the enormous differences between early Christianity as it emerged from Hebrew culture and the prevailing assumptions of the Hellenized world. Also it fails to appreciate the translatability of Christianity to non-Western (and therefore non-Greek) contexts. What I mean to say is that we should be open to expressions of Christianity that are not metaphysical in any Western sense.

    –> Of course, you are probably familiar with this notion–“the Hellenization thesis”, as it is sometimes called–but there is more to it than that. It is because of my "Reformed" education, probably–and a conviction that Gnosticism is the most prevalent, dangerous, and enduring heresy around–that I am deeply suspicious of anything with Plato’s name on it. So, in fact, is Jamie Smith, whom, once again, I think does a great job with this one:

    “Against the horizon of the Reformed affirmation of the goodness of creation, both evangelical dualism and Platonic ascent seem to be characterized by an anti-life, anti-body, anti-materiality stance. Because of this reading of Platonism, characterized by the denigration of the goodness of creation, I continue to be confused by RO’s central claim that Plato’s ontology–and, in particular, Plato’s doctrine of participation (methexis)–offers a (necessary?) framework for articulating Christian theology” (Smith, Introducing Radical Orthodoxy, 198.).”

    (Also, the whole section from 197 to 229 deals with this issue)

    So don’t get too carried away over there; you might start floating up into stratosphere.

    That said, RO is tremendously interesting as a sensibility and is doing lots of great things for Christian thought.

    • http://michaelvdifuccia.wordpress.com/ mike d

      Brett, sorry im just getting on here and seeing these posts. Great points. Ive read smiths book in the past and i appreciate his work and i admire him as a scholar. No one in the RO camp thinks that Plato is some prophet, its just that like smith said participation is very crucial for RO, but this isnt just RO, this has continued for centuries throughout the Christian tradition. RO just wants to remind people of this and they see it as the only way forward for theology in postmodernity (as sort of half turn back to premodernity). As far as the Jewish thing goes Owen Barfield (who cs lewis referred to as the best of his unofficial teachers) wrote a book on participation and said that this concept was so ingrained in the jewish tradition that it lead to idol worship. Essentially because they took the sign to be god. There are also books on participation in the new testament.

      I completely disagree that a metaphysic or participation fails to relate Christianity to the east. The eastern religions believe in participation much more than the west does. It’s non-existent in protestant theology. I think that with a proper reading of the participation metaphysic one actually brings together both east and west rather well. It is nominalism, the very denial of universals (and thus participation), that has separated the thought of western Christianity from that of the east. As an evangelical I will say that almost all evangelical thought is nominalistic. That is certainly not Hebraic. I actually think that Plato might have recognized Jesus as incarnate because he understood that God was manifest in the world and was capable of doing so. He often spoke of Socrates in this way as embodying the good. I don’t agree with the anti-materialist reading of smith’s or the mention of the denigration of goodness in creation? This is not RO at all. Even if one wants to force that reading out of plato (which I can understand), this is certainly not the stance of RO.

      Many are critical of Platonism because they for whatever reason see it as a greek dualism, or a some sort of top down metaphysic, but its not really perfected in the Christian tradition until Thomas Aquinas, and with him this is certainly not the case.

      Gnosticism is claiming a truth outside of a tradition. Saying that something is revealed to only some and not to all. Participation tells us that god has universally made himself known throughout creation.

      Ive seen attacks against participation, but none with any valid response, or alternative metaphysic. Ive still not seen smith’s? Regardless of whether one wants to articulate a metaphysic or not, everyone has one. If you believe in any form of god, you have to have some sort of metaphysic. Unless, of course, one is a Gnostic.

      RO engages the heaviest philosophy of our time. Like the pre-modern Christian tradition it enters into dialogue as Christian philosophers and ultimately posits Christianity as telling the best story.

      Personally, I do get carried away but that’s what theology is about. But I will say that participation grounds theology in the incarnation practically speaking. Because I am an aspiring philosophical theologian, I have found no stronger metaphysic than that of participation. The more I study it the more the fundamental doctrines of Christianity makes sense to me. How else can one explain, incarnation, creation ex nihilo, and the trinity.

      At the end of the day, I highly doubt anyone really reads RO. The reason I say this is that one has to be well versed in the history of philosophy and theology as well as the present state of philosophy particularly the French tradition and phenomenology to understand it. Most people don’t have the time to read that amount of philosophy.

      Now do I give a rip if the average Christian understands participation or RO? Not at all. It is an essential?, not at all. But if someone wants to actually articulate the Christian faith to the furthest extent that reason can take us (while still adamantly asserting the element of faith), I have found no other metaphysic that fits the entirety of the Christian faith like that of participation. And ultimately the analogy of being articulated by Thomas Aquinas as agreed upon at the 4th Lateran counsel. After all, Augustine said that when articulating theology using philosophy there is no reason to look outside the Platonists.

      Instead of reading smith, read it first-hand. I can send you milbanks classic RO paper that is much shorter than the monster Theology and social theory. You should also pick up catherine pickstocks after writing.

      Thanks for the comment Brett! Im gonna try to fbook you that article so you can read it.

      Blessings,

      mike

  • JOE

    Perhaps it is the brevity of this article on such a complex issue that has left me confused. Could you articulate your understanding of dualism for me?